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CHILDREN OF PEACE INTERVIEW: STEVE HYND
In this latest in our series of interviews for Children of Peace, Trustee Professor
Sarah Brown talks to Steve Hynd.
The series of interviews are held with key individuals who offer differing perspectives
on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
They are designed to encourage open debate and dialogue and do not necessarily reflect
the views of Children of Peace.
Steve is a human rights worker who spent five months in 2012 in the occupied Palestinian
territories as part of the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Israel and Palestine.
He is currently working in Kampala, Uganda.
Sarah Brown (Sarah): Could you tell us what sparked your interest in Israel/Palestine?
Steve Hynd (Steve): A mixture of design and chance is the straight answer.
My sister studied ancient Hebrew at the University of Jerusalem and was living in
West Jerusalem in 2001 and experienced first-hand the impact suicide bombers had
on the community in which she was living. I was at secondary school when this was
happening and it challenged me to think about the conflict. My sister was moved deeply
by what she saw, but will openly admit, she only saw one side of the story. This
was my very first introduction to the conflict.
Since then I have been actively involved with human rights issues and organisations
for a long time. Invariably Israel/Palestine came up - especially during my time
at Amnesty International in the aftermath of Operation Cast Lead.
At first though, I chose to work on other issues and countries and took an active
interest in countries such as Turkmenistan (described by Freedom House as 'the worst
of the worst') thinking that there were others with more knowledge and better placed
to work on the Israel/Palestine conflict. I thought to myself 'what could I contribute?'
Only after getting involved with EAPPI, almost by chance, I have come to think that
I do actually have a role to play and something to contribute.
Sarah: What made you decide to work with EAPPI?
Steve: I became interested in a model of human rights work that combined impartial
monitoring with the concept of 'protective presence'. This was being practiced by
organisations like Peace brigade International (PBI) and the Ecumenical Accompaniment
Programme for Israel and Palestine (EAPPI). PBI worked mainly in South America and
EAPPI worked in the West Bank. In the end I chose to apply for EAPPI for a range
of reasons including being interested in positive examples of faith based organisations
- this led me, in many ways by chance, to Israel and the occupied territories.
I had also come across EAPPI as I had previously worked for the Quakers (who coordinate
EAPPI in the UK and Ireland) and had heard very positive feedback from people I respected.
Before I applied I contacted Symon Hill (author of the No-Nonsense Guide to Religion)
who at the time worked at Friends House in London and he had nothing but praise for
Sarah: EAPPI has faced some recent criticism. Would you like to comment on that,
or, more generally, on the assertion that Israel, as a comparatively accessible and
open society, comes in for a disproportionate amount of scrutiny?
Steve: In the lead up to the Church of England synod vote (to endorse the EAPPI)
they did come under a lot of criticism. A small amount of which I felt was valid,
but a lot I felt was not valid and indeed was often inaccurate or misleading.
As with all conflicts, EAPPI as a human rights organisation challenges some vested
interests and gets attacked because of it.
In terms of Israel more generally...
Israel is paradoxical in its human rights record. In one sense, as the question suggests,
it is open and free. It consistently does well in terms of press freedoms and is
a beacon of hope, in stark contrast to its neighbours, on issues such LGBT rights.
You cannot however, examine Israel's human rights policy, without looking at their
foreign policy and their on-going occupation of the territories and their continued
disregard for International Humanitarian Law.
I have no doubt that some people use these violations as a tool to attack Israel
- either because of regional politics or because of anti-Semitic values. Equally
however, from my experience, most people working on the conflict are doing so because
they care passionately about the victims. I know a number of good people working
hard for peace that have been lazily labelled 'anti-Semites' - this cheapens a very
Equally, sometimes the criticisms of human rights organisations are unfounded. For
example, Human Rights Watch is often accused of 'attacking Israel' and focusing disproportionately
on Israel. In reality, Human Rights Watch works on 17 countries in the Middle East
and North Africa. Israel accounts for about 15 percent of published output on the
region. The Middle East and North Africa division is one of 16 research programs
at Human Rights Watch and receives 5 percent of total budget.
I accept that Israel has more focus on it than most other countries (such as Turkmenistan),
but I still maintain that we need more focus on these neglected countries rather
than less on Israel. In my opinion it is a disgrace how few people care about, or
are willing to work for the people in Turkmenistan.
This why, whenever I speak to people about Israel/Palestine I insist that we can
all be doing more and working harder.
Sarah: Could you tell us about some moments which most stick in your mind from your
time with EAPPI?
Steve: It is hard to pull out a couple of moments. There was not a day that went
by where I didn't hear about how people's lives were being affected by the occupation.
Perhaps the best place to start would be the occasion when I felt the most hope.
I was in Sderot in Israel on the border with Gaza and we met with representatives
from the peace group 'Other Voice'.
Every house in Sderot has a built in 'safe room'. I was told residents have just
14 seconds to get to it should they hear the warning siren before rockets from Gaza
might hit. This is a physical impossibility for many such as Sderot's elderly residents.
People live in fear. Nearly all of Sderot's residents have been affected by rocket
Despite this reality, I found people who were looking to work creatively with Palestinians
to find a lasting peace. I passionately believe that change needs to come, at least
in part, from within Israel. Groups like Other Voice might provide the seeds from
which this change grows.
A second example that sticks in my mind highlights the complicity of the Israeli
Defence Force in some of what is happening. I was in the village of Urif and settlers
had set fire to a large section of Palestinian farmland. When Palestinians went to
put the fire out, the IDF fired teargas at them and the settlement security shot
a Palestinian in the spine. When Palestinians went to help the man, the IDF continued
to fire tear gas at them. The whole time they watched on as the settlers continued
to undertake acts of arson.
This is just one of many examples where the IDF were not fulfilling their responsibilities
to protect the occupied population!
Sarah: Is there anything which really surprised you in Israel/Palestine? And anything
which you have changed your mind about?
Steve: It surprised me quite how the occupation affects every part of life for so
many people. Before I went, I understood that terrible things happened. I didn't
understand that not a day would go by in the West Bank without either a demolition,
a midnight raid of a village, some arbitrary arrests, detentions, excessive use of
teargas, child detention, etc. The reality of everyday life for an ordinary Palestinian
I was lucky, and unusual, in that before I went I didn't hold many preconceptions
about the conflict. In that sense I would say that the experience was a steep learning
curve for me.
Sarah: Which commentators (journalists, writers or bloggers) on Israel/Palestine
would you recommend to someone wishing to learn more about the region?
Steve: This question has a catch in it. One of my biggest gripes is that too many
people approach the conflict from a partisan side-taking perspective. If you follow
bloggers, journalists and writers, you have to take 90% of them with the assumption
that they are pushing an agenda. In light of that, I feel more comfortable naming
a few organisations (with the understanding that I might not agree with everything
that they say/do)
B'Tselem - The Israeli Human Rights organisation.
Breaking the Silence - The Israeli organisation of ‘veteran combatants who have served
in the Israeli military since the start of the Second Intifada, and have taken it
upon themselves, to expose the Israeli public to the reality of everyday life in
the Occupied Territories’.
Al Hac - Palestinian Human Rights organisation.
EAPPI - They provide regular on-the-ground accounts of what is happening.
I would encourage everyone to explore and read on this issue as widely as possible
- trying to empathise with what has been written.
Sarah: Can you tell us something about your hopes/fears for the future?
Steve: The same as most people I think - I hope for lasting peace that enables Israelis
and Palestinians to live side by side feeling safe and secure.
My fear? That the detrimental spiral of violence and mistrust will continue and people
will continue to suffer.
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